maximus777
06-11 10:25 AM
In a weird way, I feel this is good news. An old saying in China says 'Things will turn to their opposite at their extremes'. The moment before dawn is the darkest hour of the day.
USCIS is a different beast altogether - it defies all logic!
USCIS is a different beast altogether - it defies all logic!
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desi3933
08-13 04:02 PM
I don't think we can do 'anything' about EB3 I. We are 100% at the mercy of USA (politicians, USCIS, DOS or whoever).
We can write letters, emails, fax, contribute to IV but nothing is gonna help. This is the fact!
We are not going to get our GC when we need it but only when they give it. And, it is not going to happen anytime sooner.
The options that we have in front of us (which would work for sure):
1. Live with this. Don't come to any forum, don't think about VISA bulletin. Take your Gc when it comes to your doorstep. May be by then, we may not need it. We may be tired of being on the same job and GC may not bring any motivation to our career.
2. Move over to EB2 - If possible, take all the pains of changing job, place of living, unpredictability in PERM queue and I140 queue and move over to EB2. But you never know. One of our Indian brothers might have just won a lawsuit to stop us from moving over!! In that sense, EB3 I is worst than illegals. Least wanted legals in the USA!!
3. Get out of this country - Give up the American dream and come to reality and start a new dream. May be Canadian dream or Australian dream...
We are stuck. And, nobody is going to help us. This is hard fact. Believe it.
Wearing my optimist hat, the only thing I can think of is, whether IV supports it or not (reason I say this is - once we talk about this -the core is going to refer to poor 'high five' collection or 'low number of people calling congressmen' etc. Not blaming them. They have their own issues. For us, the problems are bigger. IV core will not do anything for EB3 I exclusive) some 50-100 EB3 I applicants should go to DC and meet high officials, CHC folks and every department that is influential to EB immigrant VISA and make them understand our plight. No guarantee that this would work. But, we will get a first hand response that may help atleast help us to chose from one of 3 options listed above.
The only practical solution, IMHO, is to move over to EB-2. Like they say, If you can't beat them, join them.
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N-400 Oath Date on Aug 19th, 2008
We can write letters, emails, fax, contribute to IV but nothing is gonna help. This is the fact!
We are not going to get our GC when we need it but only when they give it. And, it is not going to happen anytime sooner.
The options that we have in front of us (which would work for sure):
1. Live with this. Don't come to any forum, don't think about VISA bulletin. Take your Gc when it comes to your doorstep. May be by then, we may not need it. We may be tired of being on the same job and GC may not bring any motivation to our career.
2. Move over to EB2 - If possible, take all the pains of changing job, place of living, unpredictability in PERM queue and I140 queue and move over to EB2. But you never know. One of our Indian brothers might have just won a lawsuit to stop us from moving over!! In that sense, EB3 I is worst than illegals. Least wanted legals in the USA!!
3. Get out of this country - Give up the American dream and come to reality and start a new dream. May be Canadian dream or Australian dream...
We are stuck. And, nobody is going to help us. This is hard fact. Believe it.
Wearing my optimist hat, the only thing I can think of is, whether IV supports it or not (reason I say this is - once we talk about this -the core is going to refer to poor 'high five' collection or 'low number of people calling congressmen' etc. Not blaming them. They have their own issues. For us, the problems are bigger. IV core will not do anything for EB3 I exclusive) some 50-100 EB3 I applicants should go to DC and meet high officials, CHC folks and every department that is influential to EB immigrant VISA and make them understand our plight. No guarantee that this would work. But, we will get a first hand response that may help atleast help us to chose from one of 3 options listed above.
The only practical solution, IMHO, is to move over to EB-2. Like they say, If you can't beat them, join them.
______________________________
US Permanent Resident since 2002
N-400 Oath Date on Aug 19th, 2008
bestin
08-23 05:23 PM
This is what i understand
1.Advanced Degree-(where most of us fall into ) it is either masters or Bachelors+5 years
2.Exceptional Ability- Assume a guy who has a diploma or a 3 year degree with some certifications.In a normal scenerio he would apply for EB3.But this opens up the scope for him to apply in EB2 also provided he satisfies a 10 year experience and any other stuff from the criteria below...
Criteria
Official academic record showing that you have a degree, diploma, certificate, or similar award from a college, university, school, or other institution of learning relating to your area of exceptional ability
Letters documenting at least 10 years of full-time experience in your occupation
A license to practice your profession or certification for your profession or occupation
Evidence that you have commanded a salary or other remuneration for services that demonstrates your exceptional ability
Membership in a professional association(s)
Recognition for your achievements and significant contributions to your industry or field by your peers, government entities, professional or business organizations
Other comparable evidence of eligibility is also acceptable.
1.Advanced Degree-(where most of us fall into ) it is either masters or Bachelors+5 years
2.Exceptional Ability- Assume a guy who has a diploma or a 3 year degree with some certifications.In a normal scenerio he would apply for EB3.But this opens up the scope for him to apply in EB2 also provided he satisfies a 10 year experience and any other stuff from the criteria below...
Criteria
Official academic record showing that you have a degree, diploma, certificate, or similar award from a college, university, school, or other institution of learning relating to your area of exceptional ability
Letters documenting at least 10 years of full-time experience in your occupation
A license to practice your profession or certification for your profession or occupation
Evidence that you have commanded a salary or other remuneration for services that demonstrates your exceptional ability
Membership in a professional association(s)
Recognition for your achievements and significant contributions to your industry or field by your peers, government entities, professional or business organizations
Other comparable evidence of eligibility is also acceptable.
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karan2004m
01-08 07:22 PM
Ok then why dont we teach some respect and humility to professor ji to show some respect for his country men as well..
what a harsh speech that was..seems like some personal anger against india and their colleges...
And respect and humility are another thing that differentiate us Indians from others!
what a harsh speech that was..seems like some personal anger against india and their colleges...
And respect and humility are another thing that differentiate us Indians from others!
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rajuram
12-18 02:25 PM
has any publicity we have recd so far in the press (not on anti-immig websites, which are visited only by anti-immigs) been in any way negative? no.
why? because there is nothing negative to say.
on the contrary, many people are discovering that their misperceptions aboutu legal immigs are wrong, and that before CIR the legal system needs to be fixed first.
I agree that our tone should not be negative, maybe not call it a boycott, but show them that we are protesting in a big and united way.
We have to differentiate ourselves from the illegals. Let the illegals do Rallies, Huger strikes etc.
why? because there is nothing negative to say.
on the contrary, many people are discovering that their misperceptions aboutu legal immigs are wrong, and that before CIR the legal system needs to be fixed first.
I agree that our tone should not be negative, maybe not call it a boycott, but show them that we are protesting in a big and united way.
We have to differentiate ourselves from the illegals. Let the illegals do Rallies, Huger strikes etc.
kshitijnt
06-26 10:56 PM
America does not need to do anything to get more workers. People will keep coming and it will always be a positive flow of good talent into America. The only Indians (and others) who might tell you that they do not want to come to the USA and the American dream is gone, etc., are talking bull and they know it. They will jump on a plane "the next minute" and come if the could. It's the same thing always: Go back Yankeee.................................and take me with you."
That will never change. If it did we would not have IV forum or so many members.
Vivek I do not fully agree with you. I do agree that first timers are eager to come to America but once the game gets exposed they will have second thoughts. Why there are no takers for german green card? Or why do people apply for HSMP in more numbers than any other european country. Because atleast on the face of it, that promises a long term path. How many people will want to jump on the plane if America says there will be no green cards, how many people will be attracted to it? America wants to have it both ways, they want people here but do not want to give GCs either.
I graduated from a good college in India. My classmates are divided 50-50 in US and India. The people who are putting up here either did very well and were toppers or failures. All others stayed in India and they will come here only if there is a long term benefit to come here.
That will never change. If it did we would not have IV forum or so many members.
Vivek I do not fully agree with you. I do agree that first timers are eager to come to America but once the game gets exposed they will have second thoughts. Why there are no takers for german green card? Or why do people apply for HSMP in more numbers than any other european country. Because atleast on the face of it, that promises a long term path. How many people will want to jump on the plane if America says there will be no green cards, how many people will be attracted to it? America wants to have it both ways, they want people here but do not want to give GCs either.
I graduated from a good college in India. My classmates are divided 50-50 in US and India. The people who are putting up here either did very well and were toppers or failures. All others stayed in India and they will come here only if there is a long term benefit to come here.
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gk_2000
08-23 02:45 PM
How about people are using it as a loop hole and smack you down. Just because you have the option, it does not mean the right thing.
It is not the right thing -- from your perspective, because you can't take advantage of it. From the USA point of view multinational executives can potentially create jobs and that's why they must be allowed
You may call it "loophole", based on your understanding of it. However the reality may be different and larger than what you see. So don't axe the branch you are sitting on!
It is not the right thing -- from your perspective, because you can't take advantage of it. From the USA point of view multinational executives can potentially create jobs and that's why they must be allowed
You may call it "loophole", based on your understanding of it. However the reality may be different and larger than what you see. So don't axe the branch you are sitting on!
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webm
04-30 03:28 PM
Testimony is going in full mood/swing..questions by questions...to uscis/dos..
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ashutrip
06-27 05:56 PM
Congrats skillet! Really great news!
Any march approval?
Any march approval?
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amitjoey
03-02 07:01 PM
Yes, if we do not do anything, then yes, we will only get our GC's as per the calculator- which is 2024 and beyond. If we want it earlier, we need to educate: Get vocal: Vocal about reforming employment based immigration laws. Lobby the government: (which means we need to contribute money to IV to make a war-chest- to pay the lobbyist.), Get noticed: Which means we have to meet our lawmakers.
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doknek
06-10 05:05 PM
multiple year eads & ap - may or may not happen
visa recapture - no chance
visa increase - will not happen
still contribute??
First one did happen today. So, how much are you going to contribute then?:D
visa recapture - no chance
visa increase - will not happen
still contribute??
First one did happen today. So, how much are you going to contribute then?:D
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reddymjm
07-14 10:31 PM
I understand your pain ( I am in the same boat ). EB3-I PD:June 2003. All we can do is keep the struggle going.
Why should you contribute, because if it wasnt for IV following up with Congresswoman Lofgren, your signature would simply read:
"PD Date: 03/2003 EB3,i140 aprvd from NSC: 09/2005".
I am a JUN filer. JUL 07 killed me.
Why should you contribute, because if it wasnt for IV following up with Congresswoman Lofgren, your signature would simply read:
"PD Date: 03/2003 EB3,i140 aprvd from NSC: 09/2005".
I am a JUN filer. JUL 07 killed me.
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singhsa3
09-12 10:10 AM
Hi Bawa,
Your idea is good to but please be also open to other ideas. You don't know what will fail or pass. The prime objective is to attract media attention, in other words "give them something to talk about". What flower campaing did last year was exactly that...Can we achieve the same thing with Book or Calculators or Clock or Poster, we need to figure that out!
I agree that calculator /flower campaign can fail. But poster (actually pamphlet) and letter campaign will cost only 41 cents stamp from us.
Your idea is good to but please be also open to other ideas. You don't know what will fail or pass. The prime objective is to attract media attention, in other words "give them something to talk about". What flower campaing did last year was exactly that...Can we achieve the same thing with Book or Calculators or Clock or Poster, we need to figure that out!
I agree that calculator /flower campaign can fail. But poster (actually pamphlet) and letter campaign will cost only 41 cents stamp from us.
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05-22 03:12 PM
This thread is mostly being bumped without contributions today :confused:
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optimist578
01-03 03:01 PM
I am confused and think about this daily. I am here in US for the past 8+ years and I am 33 now. All my friends who have stayed back in India are in very good managerial position and earning well. Money is not the issue now, but the career.
I thought about going back to India and when I started the job search, I ended up seeing myself aged out. Being stuck with my GC, I am now continuing as a Sr Software er for the past 8 years. I did not move up an inch all these years and I did not think it is going to affect my career till now. Now if I look back, I sometime think that I have made wrong choices unknowingly.
In India:
1. I am not fit for Sr Software Er position as guys from college with 2+ years of experience fills that position.
2. I dont want tech lead / team lead as I hear from my friends there it is going back 5years for me for my age.
3. I am not getting project manager position as I do not have any managerial experience.
If I get a good position in India, I am ready to go back. At the same time, I have two kids who are born here in US and I own a house (technically I am proud owner of mortgage debt not house) here in US. I have to close all my debts before I decide to go back.
I AM NOT IN CLEAR STATE OF MIND. MAY BE GETTING GC WILL HELP ME OUT.
Exactly same thoughts cross my mind too. I am planning to finish my Masters, on a part-time basis, after which I have to decide my direction for good. I don't have any kids so that is not a factor to hold me back to this country. But I face my biggest discouragement about returning to my home country, when I think of a typical workplace atmosphere there. If you are working for one of the software firms delivering services to international clients, you might end up as someone who simply follows the orders from overseas clients - working 14-15 hours at least 6 days a week. Add to that the living conditions, feudal bureacracy and you have conjured up a recipe for formidable hardship and frustration. On the other hand, US has a growing economy and newer opportunities come here first. Also I have quite a few friends here who have got theirs GCs and are doing good. So, that serves as a sort of inspiration for me.
So, overall, I am also confused. My wife is my driving force, positive about making it big here- business or corporate world and my only hope. But she has been put up at home, now for more than 4 years; pretty hard to imagine especially with MPhil and an MS from US universities.
I thought about going back to India and when I started the job search, I ended up seeing myself aged out. Being stuck with my GC, I am now continuing as a Sr Software er for the past 8 years. I did not move up an inch all these years and I did not think it is going to affect my career till now. Now if I look back, I sometime think that I have made wrong choices unknowingly.
In India:
1. I am not fit for Sr Software Er position as guys from college with 2+ years of experience fills that position.
2. I dont want tech lead / team lead as I hear from my friends there it is going back 5years for me for my age.
3. I am not getting project manager position as I do not have any managerial experience.
If I get a good position in India, I am ready to go back. At the same time, I have two kids who are born here in US and I own a house (technically I am proud owner of mortgage debt not house) here in US. I have to close all my debts before I decide to go back.
I AM NOT IN CLEAR STATE OF MIND. MAY BE GETTING GC WILL HELP ME OUT.
Exactly same thoughts cross my mind too. I am planning to finish my Masters, on a part-time basis, after which I have to decide my direction for good. I don't have any kids so that is not a factor to hold me back to this country. But I face my biggest discouragement about returning to my home country, when I think of a typical workplace atmosphere there. If you are working for one of the software firms delivering services to international clients, you might end up as someone who simply follows the orders from overseas clients - working 14-15 hours at least 6 days a week. Add to that the living conditions, feudal bureacracy and you have conjured up a recipe for formidable hardship and frustration. On the other hand, US has a growing economy and newer opportunities come here first. Also I have quite a few friends here who have got theirs GCs and are doing good. So, that serves as a sort of inspiration for me.
So, overall, I am also confused. My wife is my driving force, positive about making it big here- business or corporate world and my only hope. But she has been put up at home, now for more than 4 years; pretty hard to imagine especially with MPhil and an MS from US universities.
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anurakt
01-03 01:49 PM
I have somebody in my family who is suffering from an incurable disease , thus I wan't to stay in this country till a medicine comes out. This country is known as the pioneer in the reserach of medicines . It may take 10 years for it to be in market but it may take another 25 years to be in India. I have been working with lot of pharmatuticals firms which may come out with a treatment.
GC is not important to me for money ! Never. I want to make sure that my family member gets the best treatment available in the world.
GC is not important to me for money ! Never. I want to make sure that my family member gets the best treatment available in the world.
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srikondoji
08-11 11:05 AM
Was away on business travel for last 3 days.
Coming to your friend and his call, the information i passed on is what i got from rep.
Looks like there are lot of applications received by USCIS on july 2.
Hopefully we get some direction by next weekend.
Hang in there. We are all on the same boat in still waters.:eek:
A freind of mine called. He did NOT hear such thing from NSC. He even refefrenced this discussion
Coming to your friend and his call, the information i passed on is what i got from rep.
Looks like there are lot of applications received by USCIS on july 2.
Hopefully we get some direction by next weekend.
Hang in there. We are all on the same boat in still waters.:eek:
A freind of mine called. He did NOT hear such thing from NSC. He even refefrenced this discussion
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sandy_77
06-24 03:17 PM
I suggest that you write at least two articles. First one should focus on our problems and costs involved at each stage for the current 5-7 years waiting period. A lot of guys out there against immigration do not currently know exactly how tuff it is these days to get a visa and come to US. Just imagine if somebody came to US on a student loan and was not able to get a job because of these visa problems as has started to happen over the last couple of years, how much financial burden he will have and how long it will take him to pay off these loans. explain how visa applicants are harassed buy the consulates, USCIS/DHS/DOS, lawyers, employers just because they can. Had everyone who came to US to study or work on his/her own merit been given a green card like visa as and when they wanted it, he/she would not be exploited, they would compete with any american citizen for a better pay (taking away the argument from the anti-immigrants that we are displacing the citizens by being underpaid). This I think would have taken away the argument that we are over populating the US or that we are immigrants for ever (not assimilating in the mainstream) because then we would be part of the mainstream and those who do not want to live in US forever (a significant number of people...leading to reduced immigration) could go back when they wanted. Look for all the problems we have to face on a day-to-day basis and ask whether we are asking more than some basic human rights and are we wrong in asking for these rights. Isn't it also one form of injustice when we are paying for medicare/social security without getting any benefits? Isn't it injustice when we cannot progress in our careers when we are stuck in this endless and ever increasing GC delays? Isn't it injustice when we are equated with the illegal immigrants? Isn't it injustice when we are asked to renew our status by paying ever increasing fees and endless documentation when there is no need unless one has left the country on his own and wishes to return? Does the country really need skilled immigrants and if it does why can't it allow them to live with some basic human rights and dignity. By denying the new immigrants these rights, dignity is the US promoting new-age slavery and forcing even the legal immigrants into shadows and back alleys of the society? Explore why some legal immigrants have to resort to illegal status (school going kids, family life, friends...age at which they migrate changes their social circle) when they cannot stay in status by legal means.
Once you have explored and educated your article readers about our situation, they will have a better understanding of what we are requesting the US govt is lot illegitimate and may even encourage some illegal immigrants into going the legal way.
Once you have explored and educated your article readers about our situation, they will have a better understanding of what we are requesting the US govt is lot illegitimate and may even encourage some illegal immigrants into going the legal way.
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TeddyKoochu
12-10 05:16 PM
In Jan 2010 DOL will publish their data and that will make thing very clear. I think DOS is assuming around 10 -15 k Spill over visas that can be available to Eb2 India ( based on previous years ) and that is what it take them into Oct - Dec 2005 range. They don't factor in CIS processing time. But I think from pool of 40-50k pre adjudicated apps CIS can easily consume 10k visas. But if there are less labors and more spill over visas ( like 30 -40 k) then be ready for mini version of july fiasco.
Appreciate your optimism; I hope your predictions for the season end are correct. We have nothing but hope, let�s not lose it.
Appreciate your optimism; I hope your predictions for the season end are correct. We have nothing but hope, let�s not lose it.
saimrathi
08-10 02:51 PM
Just contributed $100 to IV.. Do your part guys...
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