senthil1
06-09 03:35 PM
I have one question regarding your view. Actually point system gives points to the US experience and employer sponsorship. Because of limited number of greencards Those who are not having both of this may not be able to get green card. If you give your calculation everyone will get clear about. I think MS with 5 year US experience will get more points than fresh Phd. That serves the purpose. If that is the case then only eligible people will get gc.
Gautamagg (Gautam Aggrwal) is Columban.
Gautam: If you have difference with Immigration Voice's position in opposing the merits based system that gives 21 points being illegal and 20 points for having MBA or MD, then you are entitled to have that opinion, but dont peddle your agenda on this site and find another website or forum to advocate in favor of merits based points system.
Merits based point system awards supplemental points for illegals. Being illegal is not an accomplishment. Having an MBA or MD is. The two cannot be awarded merits on the same scale.
Merits based point system works well in countries that dont have annual caps. Like Canada. Their objective in Canada is to fill the country with younger working population in order to balance to demograph that is headed to an aging population. USA is not like that and having points system in conjunction with numerical caps will cause greencard to go to paper-tiger resumes that have lots of points but not employable. There are millions of Ph.Ds in Science in India and China and they would not be employable here but would get GCs. Just like Canada, we would have greencard holders with Ph.Ds and MBBS driving cabs. Employability has nothing to do with papers that prove how many years you spend on colleges accumalating degrees.
A bachelor's degree from Harvard and a Bachelor's degree from Rutgers would get same points : 16 points. Is that really a measure of merits?
But again, if you feel that point system is great, issue press release on your own and peddle your agenda on your own but dont use this site to peddle that agenda. You are free to discuss with other members but dont issue press release and dont speak to the media on behalf of IV. Speak to the media as an individual.
The position of immigration voice on points system is very clear and it will stay that way.
Gautamagg (Gautam Aggrwal) is Columban.
Gautam: If you have difference with Immigration Voice's position in opposing the merits based system that gives 21 points being illegal and 20 points for having MBA or MD, then you are entitled to have that opinion, but dont peddle your agenda on this site and find another website or forum to advocate in favor of merits based points system.
Merits based point system awards supplemental points for illegals. Being illegal is not an accomplishment. Having an MBA or MD is. The two cannot be awarded merits on the same scale.
Merits based point system works well in countries that dont have annual caps. Like Canada. Their objective in Canada is to fill the country with younger working population in order to balance to demograph that is headed to an aging population. USA is not like that and having points system in conjunction with numerical caps will cause greencard to go to paper-tiger resumes that have lots of points but not employable. There are millions of Ph.Ds in Science in India and China and they would not be employable here but would get GCs. Just like Canada, we would have greencard holders with Ph.Ds and MBBS driving cabs. Employability has nothing to do with papers that prove how many years you spend on colleges accumalating degrees.
A bachelor's degree from Harvard and a Bachelor's degree from Rutgers would get same points : 16 points. Is that really a measure of merits?
But again, if you feel that point system is great, issue press release on your own and peddle your agenda on your own but dont use this site to peddle that agenda. You are free to discuss with other members but dont issue press release and dont speak to the media on behalf of IV. Speak to the media as an individual.
The position of immigration voice on points system is very clear and it will stay that way.
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chanduv23
10-15 07:21 AM
The information, and guideline we got from you is going to help us a lot pappu... also many thanks to other chapter leaders who took time out and helped us learn the process.
Lets get going friends here at Michigan.....
we must fight this monster..... we must fight for our rights, and what is fair....
we must fight for our families and friends.....
Concentrate on the topics you want to discuss on, and bring more friends to the 20th meeting.....
I missed it, not aware of it, not sure why. I am glad to see this chapter grow. There was a time where we were searching for folks with torchlights. Thanks to Chintu, walking_dude, cagedcactus, bestin and all others who are now making this happen.
I have a very close friend in Michigan, and asked him to join, but he talks about all hardships, about his HR manager, about his company, about his lawyer, about everything except IV stuff. I am sure there are many more people here doing the same thing. We have to motivate folks to come forward. We cannot afford to have people who are inactive.
Good luck to you all, try to merge folks from nearby states if they are still not organized until they get organized.
Lets get going friends here at Michigan.....
we must fight this monster..... we must fight for our rights, and what is fair....
we must fight for our families and friends.....
Concentrate on the topics you want to discuss on, and bring more friends to the 20th meeting.....
I missed it, not aware of it, not sure why. I am glad to see this chapter grow. There was a time where we were searching for folks with torchlights. Thanks to Chintu, walking_dude, cagedcactus, bestin and all others who are now making this happen.
I have a very close friend in Michigan, and asked him to join, but he talks about all hardships, about his HR manager, about his company, about his lawyer, about everything except IV stuff. I am sure there are many more people here doing the same thing. We have to motivate folks to come forward. We cannot afford to have people who are inactive.
Good luck to you all, try to merge folks from nearby states if they are still not organized until they get organized.
waitnwatch
05-30 06:18 PM
This is what Fragomen says but we have to keep our fingers crossed:
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Proposed Amendments to the Senate Bill
Late last week, Senators Maria Cantwell (D-WA), John Cornyn (R-TX), Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Orrin Hatch (R-UT) announced an amendment to the Senate bill that would make important changes to several of the employment-related provisions of the Senate bill. With respect to immigrant visas, the amendment would restructure the proposed merit-based program to add several of the features of the current employment-based system. The amendment would add an employer sponsorship component, and would create programs equivalent to the first, second and third employment-based preference categories for foreign nationals of extraordinary ability, outstanding professors and researchers, multinational executives and managers, advanced degree professionals, foreign nationals of exceptional ability, and professional workers (though the amendment would not provide for an equivalent to the current "other worker" subcategory). The amendment would also restore the labor certification requirement for the second and third employment-based preference categories, but would not provide for a national interest waiver of the requirement. In addition, the amendment proposes an additional 140,000 immigrant visa numbers for employer-sponsored merit immigrants, and would create a quota exemption for certain highly skilled immigrants who have at least three years of U.S. work experience. Regarding the H-1B program, the amendment would eliminate the 20,000 ceiling on cap exemptions for foreign nationals holding advanced degrees from U.S. universities and create a new exemption for foreign nationals holding foreign advanced degrees in the sciences, technology, engineering or mathematics. The amendment would also dispense with the Senate bill's expansion of the recruitment and non-displacement attestation requirement to all H-1B employers.
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Proposed Amendments to the Senate Bill
Late last week, Senators Maria Cantwell (D-WA), John Cornyn (R-TX), Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Orrin Hatch (R-UT) announced an amendment to the Senate bill that would make important changes to several of the employment-related provisions of the Senate bill. With respect to immigrant visas, the amendment would restructure the proposed merit-based program to add several of the features of the current employment-based system. The amendment would add an employer sponsorship component, and would create programs equivalent to the first, second and third employment-based preference categories for foreign nationals of extraordinary ability, outstanding professors and researchers, multinational executives and managers, advanced degree professionals, foreign nationals of exceptional ability, and professional workers (though the amendment would not provide for an equivalent to the current "other worker" subcategory). The amendment would also restore the labor certification requirement for the second and third employment-based preference categories, but would not provide for a national interest waiver of the requirement. In addition, the amendment proposes an additional 140,000 immigrant visa numbers for employer-sponsored merit immigrants, and would create a quota exemption for certain highly skilled immigrants who have at least three years of U.S. work experience. Regarding the H-1B program, the amendment would eliminate the 20,000 ceiling on cap exemptions for foreign nationals holding advanced degrees from U.S. universities and create a new exemption for foreign nationals holding foreign advanced degrees in the sciences, technology, engineering or mathematics. The amendment would also dispense with the Senate bill's expansion of the recruitment and non-displacement attestation requirement to all H-1B employers.
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smitin_2000
05-21 12:46 AM
just sent to CA senators and Congressman.
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test101
07-17 08:37 PM
I'm sorry to hear your story. I feel bad for you & i hope a solution comes soon.
apt7
05-31 03:51 PM
Also on another note Senator Lieberman wrote a piece in investors.com which is pro-skilled worker and pro-H1B.
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1502&status=article&id=264986175666607
In it he says "When the Senate resumes debating comprehensive immigration reform this week, I will fight to exempt from the cap foreign nationals holding a U.S. graduate degree in any field; a non-U.S. graduate degree in science, technology, engineering or math; or medical-specialty certification based on U.S. training. Taken together, these reforms would deliver much-needed relief � and vital human capital � to our innovative industries." .
This is a good find. I'm happy that the senators are fighting to remove the cap for masters students. That would make lot of room for the non-ms students.
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1502&status=article&id=264986175666607
In it he says "When the Senate resumes debating comprehensive immigration reform this week, I will fight to exempt from the cap foreign nationals holding a U.S. graduate degree in any field; a non-U.S. graduate degree in science, technology, engineering or math; or medical-specialty certification based on U.S. training. Taken together, these reforms would deliver much-needed relief � and vital human capital � to our innovative industries." .
This is a good find. I'm happy that the senators are fighting to remove the cap for masters students. That would make lot of room for the non-ms students.
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avi101
04-06 01:13 AM
Let me reiterate that I am all for H4s being able to work and you guys should try unite for this cause.
I haven't researched L1 quota and its intent so I really can't comment further with respect to that.
Its unfortunate that legals and illegals are measured on different scales and it would be very unfair if they end up getting more benefits than us legals. I am not sure what you mean by illegal spouses? Either one is illegal or one is not.
I wish you the best in your search and would highly recommend exploring the unpaid internship possibilites in the interim.
I haven't researched L1 quota and its intent so I really can't comment further with respect to that.
Its unfortunate that legals and illegals are measured on different scales and it would be very unfair if they end up getting more benefits than us legals. I am not sure what you mean by illegal spouses? Either one is illegal or one is not.
I wish you the best in your search and would highly recommend exploring the unpaid internship possibilites in the interim.
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GC_2004
07-20 04:42 PM
I completely agree with U. Let Us Fight.
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gonecrazyonh4
03-16 12:43 PM
I wonder why nobody takes up the cause for H4 visa holders who are mostly women and who becomes completely dependant on their husbands once they enter this country .With retrogression and the endless wait for GC it means losing all the skill sets that you have and all the opportunites that come along just because you donot have a EAD card. Worst of all nobody who speaks so much about womens emancipation seems to care.
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tawlibann
07-01 12:55 PM
May be USCIS has started working tail backwards OR there's some serious bug with their SQL queries to sort data...:)
God bless us all!
Who said they use SQL? For all I know, it is most likely a big Excel table :)
God bless us all!
Who said they use SQL? For all I know, it is most likely a big Excel table :)
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easygoer
07-15 06:04 PM
Gurus,
Based on above calculations, up which month of PD will be covered at the end of Sep'08 for applications selection purpose? Will they cover all the applications having PD up to June'06?
Based on above calculations, up which month of PD will be covered at the end of Sep'08 for applications selection purpose? Will they cover all the applications having PD up to June'06?
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dish
07-05 05:56 PM
com 'on. H4 process is known as Dependent Visa. Let H4 prove the Credentials and Get H1 ..........
Yeah , For sure we all knew H4 is a dependant visa.
So we are denied work permit but we are not denied the freedom to ask or even lobby for changes in the Law.
But we didn't know that we are going to go through a painful process called Labor Certification which in our case is pending for more than 1675
days........
If all went well an H4 Spouse, who decides to get married to an H1B, would have faced an average of three year break in her career before she recieves her EAD. Now due to the huge backlog in Labor cert and the next awaiting Retrogression We are facing huge gaps of 7 to 10 yrs, which is almost unrecoverable, So IV Core pls understand and consider our issues as Real.
And getiing an H1 in fields other than Software is tough, but that does not mean that the person is incapable. An electrical engineer who had worked for 4 years previously in india in a well reputed firm was unable to get an H1b.
A Request to moderator : Please moderate posts which contain deregatory comments and words towards H4 Spouses.
Thanks
Yeah , For sure we all knew H4 is a dependant visa.
So we are denied work permit but we are not denied the freedom to ask or even lobby for changes in the Law.
But we didn't know that we are going to go through a painful process called Labor Certification which in our case is pending for more than 1675
days........
If all went well an H4 Spouse, who decides to get married to an H1B, would have faced an average of three year break in her career before she recieves her EAD. Now due to the huge backlog in Labor cert and the next awaiting Retrogression We are facing huge gaps of 7 to 10 yrs, which is almost unrecoverable, So IV Core pls understand and consider our issues as Real.
And getiing an H1 in fields other than Software is tough, but that does not mean that the person is incapable. An electrical engineer who had worked for 4 years previously in india in a well reputed firm was unable to get an H1b.
A Request to moderator : Please moderate posts which contain deregatory comments and words towards H4 Spouses.
Thanks
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msyedy
05-31 08:20 PM
Is there a way out... (Mandwaali nahee ho sakti) any compromise in this compromise immigration bill.
Or
We forget the who CIR thing and plan for something else.
There are uglier things than sausages being made. For example, when Bernie Sanders gave a 30 minute speech to increase H1B fees and make H1B program useless, he brought a big chart and the whole enchilada to try to prove that H1B depresses wages.
However, in the starting part of his speech, he said he supports the bill.
The bill brings in 200,000 guest-workers each year (it was 400,000 before Bingaman amendment). However, according to him, that is just fine. When guest-workers come to US in numbers like 200,000 then they dont depress wages of the lowest income group in America. However, when hi-tech workers come here they depress wages.
This is the kind of logic from people like Bernie Sanders and Co. that is uglier than watching sausages being made. Watching sausages being made might hurt your eyes, but this kind of logic hurts your head and can damage your brain's neurons.
Or
We forget the who CIR thing and plan for something else.
There are uglier things than sausages being made. For example, when Bernie Sanders gave a 30 minute speech to increase H1B fees and make H1B program useless, he brought a big chart and the whole enchilada to try to prove that H1B depresses wages.
However, in the starting part of his speech, he said he supports the bill.
The bill brings in 200,000 guest-workers each year (it was 400,000 before Bingaman amendment). However, according to him, that is just fine. When guest-workers come to US in numbers like 200,000 then they dont depress wages of the lowest income group in America. However, when hi-tech workers come here they depress wages.
This is the kind of logic from people like Bernie Sanders and Co. that is uglier than watching sausages being made. Watching sausages being made might hurt your eyes, but this kind of logic hurts your head and can damage your brain's neurons.
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06-24 12:59 PM
Just called and expressed support. The lady that answered the phone was very friendly.
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vchenna
07-26 02:56 PM
GURU's:)
I m Employee of company "A" have a valid H1-B till 2008.
I came to company "B" through company "A" acquisition. I left company "B" in March 2007 and joined some other company( "C" ) on H1 B.
Question is- I have a project now and wanted to get back as a employee of "B".
Will company "A"' H1-B be valid? Or do we have to do a H1 B transfer ?
Please suggest :mad:
Thanks
I m Employee of company "A" have a valid H1-B till 2008.
I came to company "B" through company "A" acquisition. I left company "B" in March 2007 and joined some other company( "C" ) on H1 B.
Question is- I have a project now and wanted to get back as a employee of "B".
Will company "A"' H1-B be valid? Or do we have to do a H1 B transfer ?
Please suggest :mad:
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pitha
07-03 03:06 PM
what is the phone number to call uscis regarding the july 2 query.
Called uscis and asked what happens to the app already received by them?
The rep put me on a hold..(guess went and asked somebody) and answered that all the app received will be put on hold(not returned) and said they will not process ead/ap too.Di anybody else tried calling and ask the same?did they tell the same thing?Just want to know if i interpreted it right?
Thanks.
Called uscis and asked what happens to the app already received by them?
The rep put me on a hold..(guess went and asked somebody) and answered that all the app received will be put on hold(not returned) and said they will not process ead/ap too.Di anybody else tried calling and ask the same?did they tell the same thing?Just want to know if i interpreted it right?
Thanks.
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07-21 12:22 PM
Hi All,
Thank you for the overwhelming response. I did skim through the responses and agree with most of the suggestions/comments if not all.
Someone had brought the issue of FIFO and if there is anything in the law that states that FIFO has to be followed. I am not a law expert myself and cannot comment on if there is any such law. But what I am basing is more on the everyday commensense behaviour that all we humans follow for any queue. FIFO is the predominant thing being done for any queue and that will be the most resonable way to process be it a bunch of applicantions waiting on a queue or to service a number of people waiting on a queue in a bank or post office or whereever it might be. That is the fair, unbiased and non-preferential way of doing things. Isn't it?
I want to make sure to convey the point that I first of all wanted to bring this issue to everyone's attention. May be my message was worded strongly, but doesn't mean that I am not flexible.
I thought suing DOL is one of the options. Of course if there are other viable alternatives that will be less demanding, less expensive and will take a more non-confronting approach but still could have an equal impact in terms of resolving the issue amicably then I am all for it. But then the obvious question is what are the other equally good options? Someone mentioned about a petition. So what is a petition and how do we do it? Also mentioned was writing letters to congressmen etc. So who do we contact and how? Please, please anyone having the information please share.
One more thing is that I am all for a dialog with IV core members and their guidance for this. Since I started this thread doesn't mean that I wanted to sideline IVs, but this is the only way I thought I could communicate to the IV platform about the agony of this issue and how people have been affected by this. So I am all for talking with IV core members on this. But please let me know how I could do that?
So please let us start acting now: The list of next possible steps (in no particular order) are:
- Decide if there are viable alternatives to a lawsuit that is more non-confronting and first try them if possible
- Get the support of IV core team for this
- If no other alternatives are available then consider filing a case. Consult an attorney for this
- Raise more awareness about this and get allt he support we can
- Raise some money towards this cause
So please please provide more inputs so that we could start making some real progress. Thanks!!
Thank you for the overwhelming response. I did skim through the responses and agree with most of the suggestions/comments if not all.
Someone had brought the issue of FIFO and if there is anything in the law that states that FIFO has to be followed. I am not a law expert myself and cannot comment on if there is any such law. But what I am basing is more on the everyday commensense behaviour that all we humans follow for any queue. FIFO is the predominant thing being done for any queue and that will be the most resonable way to process be it a bunch of applicantions waiting on a queue or to service a number of people waiting on a queue in a bank or post office or whereever it might be. That is the fair, unbiased and non-preferential way of doing things. Isn't it?
I want to make sure to convey the point that I first of all wanted to bring this issue to everyone's attention. May be my message was worded strongly, but doesn't mean that I am not flexible.
I thought suing DOL is one of the options. Of course if there are other viable alternatives that will be less demanding, less expensive and will take a more non-confronting approach but still could have an equal impact in terms of resolving the issue amicably then I am all for it. But then the obvious question is what are the other equally good options? Someone mentioned about a petition. So what is a petition and how do we do it? Also mentioned was writing letters to congressmen etc. So who do we contact and how? Please, please anyone having the information please share.
One more thing is that I am all for a dialog with IV core members and their guidance for this. Since I started this thread doesn't mean that I wanted to sideline IVs, but this is the only way I thought I could communicate to the IV platform about the agony of this issue and how people have been affected by this. So I am all for talking with IV core members on this. But please let me know how I could do that?
So please let us start acting now: The list of next possible steps (in no particular order) are:
- Decide if there are viable alternatives to a lawsuit that is more non-confronting and first try them if possible
- Get the support of IV core team for this
- If no other alternatives are available then consider filing a case. Consult an attorney for this
- Raise more awareness about this and get allt he support we can
- Raise some money towards this cause
So please please provide more inputs so that we could start making some real progress. Thanks!!
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indyanguy
03-16 10:52 AM
Are you kidding me? Everyone and his friend applies for an EB-3, people who can barely program 2 lines in a computer or do any other meaningful task, will qualify in EB-3.
Isn't there a minimum qualification/education requirement for EB3?
Isn't there a minimum qualification/education requirement for EB3?
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canadianinnyc
02-22 01:05 PM
I just got laid off.
I am an EB2 (Jul 15, 2007 priority date). I jointly filed my I-140/I-485 5 months ago (1 month inside the 6 month period to become 'portable'). I was at Merrill Lynch; they said they do not typically inform immigration of laid off employees and the lawyers feel that I should still be able to get my I-140/I-485 (hence, my greencard) desp. They said, due to the current economic conditions (and subsequent large numbers of layoffs) US immigration is not to 'stick'y on the 6 month requirement for portability.
Does this sound plausible? Is there anything I need to be aware/careful of? Does it seem likely I will need to start my greencard (PERM) process from the beginning again?
Your knowledge is urgently appreciated. Many thanks!!
I am an EB2 (Jul 15, 2007 priority date). I jointly filed my I-140/I-485 5 months ago (1 month inside the 6 month period to become 'portable'). I was at Merrill Lynch; they said they do not typically inform immigration of laid off employees and the lawyers feel that I should still be able to get my I-140/I-485 (hence, my greencard) desp. They said, due to the current economic conditions (and subsequent large numbers of layoffs) US immigration is not to 'stick'y on the 6 month requirement for portability.
Does this sound plausible? Is there anything I need to be aware/careful of? Does it seem likely I will need to start my greencard (PERM) process from the beginning again?
Your knowledge is urgently appreciated. Many thanks!!
zoooom
03-13 04:53 PM
Well...I am one of us stuck in EB3. I do qualify for EB2 but my employer choose to file it under EB3. I recently invoked AC21 and moved over to a new employer on my EAD. Is there a way I can ask my new employer if they can file new I140 under EB2 and change my category to EB2?
gjoe
12-10 05:30 PM
It is good to know that state chapters are semi internet. I beg to differ with you regarding "feeling that you are in trouble". Expecting people to feel that they are in trouble by telling them so will never work. If someone thinks they are in trouble they would work out the solution on their own, they will not sit and wait for someone to help. This is a flawed assumption.
Anyways I am going to join the IV chapter to share more of my ideas to help this cause. Already sent a PM to chanduv23
State boards are kind of semi internet usgae only (Though not forum...). But those also do not make passive ones come ahead. So real issue is not the type of meet, the first real issue is feeling that you are in trouble..and 2nd is to stand up for fighting against that. And 3rd.. yes through IV we will be able to do this and so become active.
Anyways I am going to join the IV chapter to share more of my ideas to help this cause. Already sent a PM to chanduv23
State boards are kind of semi internet usgae only (Though not forum...). But those also do not make passive ones come ahead. So real issue is not the type of meet, the first real issue is feeling that you are in trouble..and 2nd is to stand up for fighting against that. And 3rd.. yes through IV we will be able to do this and so become active.
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